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Rooney is doing us a favour??????????


Quoth Roo:

"I met with David Gill last week and he did not give me any of the assurances I was seeking about the future squad," Rooney said Wednesday in a statement. "I then told him that I would not be signing a new contract. I was interested to hear what Sir Alex had to say yesterday and surprised by some of it.

"It is absolutely true, as he said, that my agent and I have had a number of meetings with the club about a new contract. During those meetings in August, I asked for assurances about the continued ability of the club to attract the top players in the world."

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"I have never had anything but complete respect for MUFC. How could I not have done given its fantastic history and especially the last six years in which I have been lucky to play a part?" Rooney said. "For me its all about winning trophies -- as the club has always done under Sir Alex. Because of that I think the questions I was asking were justified.

"Despite recent difficulties, I know I will always owe Sir Alex Ferguson a huge debt. He is a great manager and mentor who has helped and supported me from the day he signed me from Everton when I was only 18. For Manchester United's sake, I wish he could go on forever because he's a one off and a genius."

 

 

Well this is an interesting twist. He paints himself as an ordinary ambitious athlete who just wants to win (and we never really complain about top players for other teams eyeballing OUR trophy case, so let's not get too far up on our high horses on this one), and then he essentially paints the Glazers as the villain of the piece, which is going to be an argument that has a lot of appeal to a lot of MU fans.

So I don't know how much traction this will get him, we'll see how it plays out politically, but it does raise an interesting possibility for a silver lining:

If Rooney leaves for a song (and there's no way MU gets a good return for him under these circumstances: the other teams know we HAVE to move him, they know he'll only accept a handful of teams, which severely limits the competition at bidding, and there's only a year and a bit left on his existing contract, so there's not a whole lot of extra value there), then MU's net present value has to drop. The club simply isn't worth as much if one of it's main sources of revenue walks out the door eight to ten years early, and for pennies on the pound.

"Ah," you say, "but SAF is a genius, he's cleaned up bigger messes before." Well sure, but cleaning up the messes takes a little time, and he's getting a bit long in the tooth, he isn't going to be there many more years, and, let's face it, doesn't have quite the budget to work with that he used to...

So you're the Glazers, you're looking at one of your big investment properties deflating considerably in value, and the only reason you want this thing is for the ego and the money (don't tell me they have any emotional attachment to the club)... If all of the above really is what it appears to be, your best move at this point is to make it known that you will sell at a reasonable value to the Red Knights (or some such), because if that would make Rooney stay, then this is the only way they stop the perceived future value of the franchise dropping off a cliff... and perceived future value is what sets the sales price for any asset that people are using as an investment (such as, say, revenue generating football clubs).

This is all total speculation on my part, of course, but here's the extreme optimism outlook for you: Roo making a credible threat of quitting might be able to do what all the people who couldn't quite bring themselves to give up their seasons tickets couldn't... give the Glazers a hard shot to whichever region of the trousers holds their wallet.

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I really don't think this will force the Glazers to sell.

He’s certainly kicking Glazer in the nuts, but I’m guesing the end result will be a quick sale of the player rather than the club. That bond they took out last year was awful for the long term health of the club, but it really buys them time to look for a buyer who’ll pay a ridiculous amount as it doesn’t mature until 2017. In 2017, Rooney likely would be little more than an aging expensive player anyway, so he doesn’t really affect the value of the club much come selling time.

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 21, 2010 2:55 PM BST reply actions  

It’s not that it would make the club so insolvent they have to sell, it’s that it makes the club a much worse investment. And if they’re only in this to make money, then the club is far less attractive to them if it has far worse prospects for making money. This doesn’t FORCE them to do anything, but it does make the club less attractive for them to WANT to hold on to.

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by Wan Ihite on Oct 21, 2010 7:52 PM BST up reply actions  

I don't think that any serious investor is going to be deterred by the presence or lack of Wayne Rooney.

It may lower the selling price somewhat, but likely not by much more than the sale of Rooney will put into Glazers pocket. Liverpool just sold for 300 million pounds, I can’t imagine the price would have dropped to say 200 million if they had sold Torres, Reina, and Gerrrard. The thing about United that will be attractive to buyers is the name, die-hard fanbase, and fantastic facilities. Man United may lose a few followers when Rooney is sold, but they will likely gain those followers right back if the new owner is commited to winning.

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 21, 2010 9:28 PM BST up reply actions  

The thing that was most telling

about the Liverpool sale is that it sets a benchmark from which to base other clubs values on. Is the Manchester United “brand” and facilities really worth another 700 million pounds? I don’t think so.

Besides, if the club sells and the new owners are at least, you know, present for games and genuinely cares, it’ll bring back a lot of the fans that have been going away for the last 5 or 6 years. I suppose that “market niche” has some value as well.

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by CPC on Oct 21, 2010 9:34 PM BST up reply actions  

Liverpool were sold by the courts

at a cut rate price that Hicks and Gillette had no choice but to accept. I don’t think it sets the benchmark for the value of clubs. What it does do is show the Glazers that if they are forced to sell the club to pay their debts they may end up losing money. It might be a bit of a wake up call that if an offer comes in for the club in the near future they should take it before they are forced to sell the club for much less.

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by Section 312 on Oct 21, 2010 9:38 PM BST up reply actions  

That's a pretty cynical view of what happened with Liverpool

RBS put their man (Martin Broughton) on the board as terms of restructuring the loan for the sole purpose of finding a reasonable buyer, not just anyone with cash to burn. NESV made an offer of 300m pounds and it was accepted because it (at a minimum) satisfied the debts and put the club in the hands of owners that have run sports clubs successfully (Boston Red Sox as opposed to the Texas Rangers, Dallas Stars and Montreal Canadiens). The courts only upheld the legality of the sale. If anything, RBS is who sold the club to NESV.

And of course it’s a benchmark. The only other club of Liverpool’s size that has sold recently is Manchester City and Shinawatra was trying to offload quickly due to his legal problems in Thailand. The difference is, RBS sold the club without the massive debts, while the massive debts were transferred to the Abu Dhabi people for them to pay off.

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by CPC on Oct 21, 2010 9:57 PM BST up reply actions  

Well last I read

Hicks and Gillette were looking into their legal options to challenge the sale of Liverpool because they got about half of what they value the club at. Whether it was the banks or the courts that sold the club though is nit picking. It wasn’t the owners. The sale was forced on them by their weakening economic position. They couldn’t afford to pay their debt so the bank foreclosed. That’s basically what happened. And the Glazers run the risk of that happening to them as well. So they may get to the point where they sell while the value is high and they can still make some money. Otherwise the banks will decide to sell the club so they can get their money and the Glazers will be left out in the cold.

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by Section 312 on Oct 21, 2010 10:16 PM BST up reply actions  

I think after the Liverpool sale they'd actually be better off financially waiting as long as possible to sell.

If nothing else it gives them more motivation to be a selling club for the forseeable future. Selling Rooneyputs money in the coffers to go towards the bond repayment in 2017. United still make a profit on their day to day operations, so following the Arsenal selling club model would make them even more profitable. They certainly have the young kids in the academy to go that route, and it would allow them to put a substantial sum in the coffers over the next 6 1/2 years. The more they knock down that debt before d-day, the less it should affect what they lose on the club if they can’t repay the loan. Regardless of whose on the team at the time, potential buyers would still be getting the best stadium in england, the best training facilities in the country, and a top 5 academy. Unlike the purchase of Liverpool or City, the only investment United will need to regain greatness (assuming they lose it in the next 6 years) is players.

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 21, 2010 10:43 PM BST up reply actions  

Yeah but if they go that route

for 6 and a half years they will have no fans in the stands and they will be losing money quickly. Which will then allow potential buyers to wait until the situation is desperate enough that they can get a really good deal. Supporters of this club are against the Glazers now, for the most part, imagine what will happen if we become a selling club….

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by Section 312 on Oct 22, 2010 12:03 AM BST up reply actions  

I think the fans will still be there as long as United stay at about the level Arsenal have for the last several years.

I don’t think they can afford to lose too much ground on the rest of the league, but if they put out a decent team with real future potential that can sit at about where the current team sits the fans will still come.

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 22, 2010 12:52 AM BST up reply actions  

Tough to be a selling club and still in the top 4

but I am not so sure in the current climate with the ownership situation that the supporters would be willing to put up with what Arsenal fans are putting up with.

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by Section 312 on Oct 22, 2010 1:28 AM BST up reply actions  

I think they would given the financial climate of the game in general.

Arsenal have a pretty good thing to sell their fans. They constantly put a young team full of potential studs out there, and at any time could finally manage to put it together. If it ever happened, it would be pretty satisfying to for their fans to see a team built on the cheap and nurtured from a young age win it. United are already close to having the same thing, all they need to do is sell when players get to their peak value. United could also sell their fans on complying with the new UEFA rules. There’s a good chance Citeh is going to build up a champions league qualifier only to be told they can’t come play with the big boys until they get theri books under control.

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 22, 2010 3:18 AM BST up reply actions  

I think Citeh is going to have a massive selloff

either in January or at the beginning of July. They have several players that they overpaid for and if they can get rid of them (Craig Bellamy springs to mind immediately), then all the better it looks to UEFA.

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by CPC on Oct 22, 2010 5:24 AM BST up reply actions  

None of those guys are going to fetch much of a fee with their wages at the level they are.

I really think somebody is going to get some great deals taking City players off of their hands if they decide to cut the fat.

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 22, 2010 1:48 PM BST up reply actions  

I just don't think you could sell that to the fans

they already don’t like the Glazers they certainly won’t believe that the selling of our top players at their peak is somehow for anything other than servicing the debt. And the supporters won’t stand for that.

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by Section 312 on Oct 22, 2010 5:54 AM BST up reply actions  

I buzzed through this earlier

I’d have to dig through my Google Reader and Twitter, but I read a statement yesterday that said that the Red Knights actually welcome the sale of Rooney, because it devalues the club so much that they might be able to pressure the Glazers into selling. Let me look around and see if I can find it…

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by CPC on Oct 21, 2010 6:59 PM BST reply actions  

ah, found it

Here it is.

I just hope the Red Knights group has enough money to not only buy the club, but attack the transfer market as well.

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by CPC on Oct 21, 2010 9:40 PM BST up reply actions  

I highly doubt that Glazers will sell just because of this saga, just my intuition..

by dingmajiao on Oct 21, 2010 8:52 PM BST reply actions  

On it’s own it wasn’t going to be enough, no. But a gun-to-the-head fire sale of Rooney would have made the tightrope walk they are trying to do much trickier. Especially when you consider the global branding of MU that is getting increasingly important to their bottom line. You want kids in the Americas and Asia following your team, you need transcendent stars, not just middling success.

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by Wan Ihite on Oct 22, 2010 8:46 PM BST up reply actions  

I think selling Rooney would be more damaging to the brand in England than overseas.

If they sold Rooney and replaced him with Dzecko or Suarez (or if Hernandez blows up), I think most overseas fans would be fairly satisfied as English born players don’t matter nearly as much to the global market as they do domestically.

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 25, 2010 12:20 AM BST up reply actions  

Probably some truth in this. The locals in Manchester are there no matter what, but the fans in the rest of the country are probably a lot more bandwagon and/or superstar name charisma driven, and Rooney, for better or worse, is one of those transcendent guys.

But even internationally if you want to pull in the fans who aren’t hard core afficionados, you’re going for people who only have really heard of the top 25 or 50 players in the world. Chicarito has a chance to become a major star like that, and Nani seems to be on the borderline of maybe perhaps flirting with it, if he keeps getting better, but Rooney is really the only top TOP level guy United has right now who’s still in the prime of his career. Losing him would have been a pretty hard shot to United’s marketing operation.

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by Wan Ihite on Oct 25, 2010 9:44 PM BST up reply actions  

MU has been pretty heavily linked to an adequate replacement (who's cheaper as well) who has openly stated that United or Spurs are his preferred destinations.

Luis Suarez is certainly well known after his handball in the worldcup, but if fans actually looked past that and to his goal scoring record over the last two seasons, it’s actually better than any other player in the world. All he really needs is to get out of the dutch league to become a real superstar. There really isn’t too much difference between the two of them in top form in my eyes, and I think give a few months of Suarez in Machester people would forget Rooney outside of England.

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 25, 2010 10:44 PM BST up reply actions  

I am sorry

but I think you are totally wrong on this.

A guy with a good goal scoring record in a second rate league would still have to prove he belongs at a top club and lots of players coming from the Dutch league have failed to recreate that form in England. Rooney when in top form is in a group with Messi and Ronaldo as the top footballers in the world. He is not playing at that level now but he is one of very few players with the potential to get to that level let alone actually do it. Suarez is at this point still limited in his overall play. Rooney despite last season’s output when in form is one of, if not the best, all around footballer on the planet. Passing, shooting, tackling, everything. And he inspires his team mates to be better. Let’s not forget just how good this guy is when he is in form.

I also think you are under estimating the importance of top English players in English teams. Owen, Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney are all HUGE world wide superstars because they play for the biggest teams in England and the EPL is perhaps the most watched league around the world. It’s not a coincidence that the most marketable players in the league, even worldwide, have historically been English. There are notable exceptions but for the most part people connect with players in England who are either from England or the country that the person watching is from.

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by Section 312 on Oct 25, 2010 11:23 PM BST up reply actions  

You're really underestimating Suarez I think.

He’s got the best goalscoring record on the planet in the last 24 months, and has done so playing as a winger…not a primary target. He’s also an elite passer and dribbler more than a target, which is why such a prolific finisher is still playing on the wing. Clearly he like all players might struggle in a tougher league, but he’s held his own internationally against some of the best in the world.

I think you’re also overvaluing the value of being English outside of England. Of course the best players have historically been English…until recently the league has been dominated by English players. That has gone by the wayside recently. I’ll just use myself as an example…when I think Chelsea, I think Drogba first. City makes me think of Tevez. Spurs is Van der Vaart. Arsenal make me think Fabregas. Liverpool make me think Torres. Everton is Tim Howard. None of those guys are English. The only top English team which I think of English players first is Rooney and United (and two years ago I thought Ronaldo). Maybe my opinion may be way different than many non-english fans, but I don’t really care if a single player in the squad is English born…it won’t affect my loyalties at all. I’m a big fan of kids brought through the reserves into the first team, but I don’t really care if those kids are Brazilian, Iranian, or English.

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 26, 2010 1:33 AM BST up reply actions  

I might be underestimating him

I don’t know too many people who think he is a top 5 player in the world but that doesn’t mean he isn’t or won’t be soon. But for every RVN coming from Holland to England there is a Kezma.

I think you are underestimating how the average United fan from any where in the world feels about having English players in their team. I think if you asked world wide a Chelsea fan would be much more likely to list Lampard or Terry, a Liverpool fan Gerrard, and so on as their favorite player. Beckham and Owen when they were in their prime were the most popular players in the world because of where they were from and where they played. Supporters, even ones who don’t care about England, gravitate towards the local kid done good. I also think you underestimate how important it is for United, and any team, to have local players who understand the importance of the club, it’s supporters and it’s rivalries. It’s also good for the club financially and from a loyalty aspect to have local boys who are United fans make it through into the first team.

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by Section 312 on Oct 26, 2010 2:37 AM BST up reply actions  

Oh and to be honest

I watched every game that Uruguay played at the World Cup and I wasn’t blown away by him. It seemed to me he did a lot of things well but nothing he did (passing, dribbling, etc) really blew me away as world class.

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by Section 312 on Oct 26, 2010 2:39 AM BST up reply actions  

Honestly though, that's a very small sample in an environment that featured mostly counter attacking play.

I you had based your opinion of Rooney or Torres on that same sample, I can’t imagine you’d think either of them were top players on top clubs. You may be right about the average United fan preferring English players, as I said I can only speak for myself on that one. I just know that for me, a guy like Macheda or Rafael would be just as likely to be a favorite as an English born player like Welbeck that came through the reserves. I prefer guys that cut their teeth at my club, but after that it really comes down to the player in question over where they were born.

by Stephen Schmidt on Oct 26, 2010 3:39 AM BST up reply actions  

To be fair

The da Silva twins will be considered “home grown” because they signed with United before their eighteenth birthday, thus will have 3 years English training prior to turning 21, which is the rule.

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