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What would we do without Scholes?

Who will replace this little genius? (Photo by Abelimages/Getty Images)



Last night's match was a wonderful start to the new season. A comprehensive victory that still left SAF with some areas to improve moving forward. But how about that performance from Scholesy? Vintage. I mean can we even call it vintage if he is still doing it? Whatever fountain of youth Giggs found let's all be thankful he is sharing it with Scholes. He was maybe even better yesterday than he was in the Community Shield.

 

But his performance has lead to an interesting quesiton. One posed by Soccernet writer Richard Jolly. What do United do when Scholes retires? Who replaces the midfield maestro? There are certainly lots of candidates within the club from the unlikely, Anderson, to the ridiculous, Carrick. Who will United turn to after Scholes moves on to pull the strings in midfield and unlock even the stingiest of defenses? I think I know the answer. I believe I am sitting on the key to long term success at Old Trafford in the era after Scholes. An era by the way that I am NOT looking forward to. I will miss watching the genius of Scholes and Giggs when they are gone. Let's make sure we appreciate watching them this season whether they are in form or not. Cause they won't be around forever.

 

Now this isn't a post about how we won't be able to replace Scholes. Players come and go and this club moves on. Cantona and Keane left and were replaced or the style and structure of the team was changed. So Scholes retiring isn't the end of the world. It will be sad and I wish it never had to happen but alas that's not how the world works. But this club will cope and survive and hopefully thrive in a Scholesless future.

 

But back to the matter at hand. The replacement. The new Scholes. Gibson, Cleverley, Anderson, Possebon? Are any of these players the answer? I am not so sure. Maybe it will be the uber-talented Paul Pogba or the gifted Magnus Eikrem? It wouldn't surprise me if it was one of those two. It wouldn't surprise me if it was neither. So who is this mystery man I have discovered at the club currently who can replace the greatest ball playing English midfielder of his generation? One of a small handful of the greatest midfielders in Premier League history.  You may want to sit down.

 

The answer is Wayne Rooney.

 

Let that sink in for a minute.

 

Now I know what a lot of you will be thinking. "But he is a striker!!!!!" Well if we remember correctly so was Scholes in an early incarnation. Wayne Rooney is prehaps the only player at the club that has vision and passing range that can rival Scholes. his passion for the game and determination mean he could easily adapt to a more midfield role. Imagine Rooney as an attacking midfielder alongside Fletch with a striker force of Macheda and Chicharito ahead of him as an example. Doesn't that sound nice?

 

How many times in a match does Wayne spread play with a wonderful cross field ball? Not as often as Scholes but that's simply a function of the positions they currently play. Rooney also has one hell of a shot from range. Something Scholes also possesses and uses rarely. But what he does do is shape to shoot before releasing a pass. Players have to respect the long range shot and defend accordingly. Scholes uses that to his advantage. Rooney is more than capable of the same. Another reason I think this would work perfectly is Rooney's imagination. That flick from a Scholes feed that Berba in yesterday, only for Berba to put his shot wide, was sublime. Rooney's touch and vision and imagination are world class. Just like Scholes.

 

Now I don't think this is an immediate fix. In the short term I still think Rooney helps the team by the most by being further up the pitch. But as he gets older and youngsters like Macheda and Hernandez make names for themselves a seamless transition to midfield creator could, and I think should, be in Rooney's future.

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Intriguing, definitely from left-field, but I’m not on the bandwagon yet.

Rooney seems too much of a bustler too me. Scholes is super calm and composed. He buys time with his movement. Rooney outmuscles players for the ball. Yeah… I’m not even sure how I’m opposed to the idea. It just seems weird.

In any case, Scholes is a one-in-three-generations kinda player. I’m glad we found him. I’m glad he’s still around. And I’m glad he’ll retire a Red Devil.

by skipkirk on Aug 18, 2010 1:18 AM BST reply actions  

Rooney is a bustler without

the ball. On the ball though? Usually very composed and when he was being played as a winger he was responsible for setting up the majority of the good attacks we had that lead to goals for Ronaldo.

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by Section 312 on Aug 18, 2010 1:39 AM BST up reply actions  

I can definitely see that

But I definitely could also see Berba adapting to the Scholes role much easier than I can see Rooney doing it.

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by ajk9hy on Aug 18, 2010 6:37 AM BST reply actions  

I'm not sure

Rooney is a pretty good tackle and has the energy to be kind of a box to box midfielder if he wanted. As he gets older he will be able to sit in that hole between the strikers and the midfield and dictate play. And then when we don’t have the ball he can tackle and help win the ball back. Berba wouldn’t be willing to do the running to play in midfield.

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by Section 312 on Aug 18, 2010 6:20 PM BST up reply actions  

I think it's a bit zealous to say Rooney could be a box-to-box (I get that it relates to his energy, but still...)

But I can envision what you’re talking about. It definitely is an out-of-the-box thinking, but it personel-wise makes a lot of sense.

Berba has just of a brilliant touch and vision though— that’s why I see the comparison there.

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by ajk9hy on Aug 19, 2010 3:28 AM BST up reply actions  

This is excellent. I’ve been saying for a while that we should try playing Berbatov right behind Rooney, but this idea could be even better.

Berbatov is sort of a lurking striker- he’s more focused on positioning himself to get the ball in the box and when he doesn’t, he seems to go missing and gets the “lazy” tag. When the ball is delivered to him on a regular basis, though, you expect either a goal or a great save. Rooney is an excellent short and long passer and he can shoot from outside the box as well as anyone, so I think he’d do really well in that role.

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by Useful_Idiot on Aug 18, 2010 7:25 AM BST reply actions  

I highly doubt so.. After last season where he’s totally asked to learn how to not drop back, there’s no way he’ll be pushed back to midfield..

Carrick have the range but somehow he doesnt really spray passes as well recently..
I’m sure there’ll be someone out there that will take over Scholes role one day..

The question will be will he be found in our squad or be a purchased player..

by dingmajiao on Aug 18, 2010 1:02 PM BST reply actions  

So the fact that he has been asked to play on the wing

and then was pushed up front means he is LESS likely to be asked to assume a different role later in his career? Seems to me that makes it more likely. Rooney is adaptable. He can play anywhere and help the team.

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by Section 312 on Aug 18, 2010 6:18 PM BST up reply actions  

He was asked to play the wing because

we needed someone to defend on the wing because Ronaldo is likely not to do so..

I do agree Rooney’s capable of playing that position and he probably will do well in that position..
But I just highly doubt he’ll be asked to drop back into that position just because we have a huge number of strikers at the moment..

by dingmajiao on Aug 19, 2010 4:10 AM BST up reply actions  

Who said anyting about at the moment?
Now I don’t think this is an immediate fix. In the short term I still think Rooney helps the team by the most by being further up the pitch. But as he gets older and youngsters like Macheda and Hernandez make names for themselves a seamless transition to midfield creator could, and I think should, be in Rooney’s future.

"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Aug 19, 2010 11:02 PM BST up reply actions  

“But as he gets older and youngsters like Macheda and Hernandez make names for themselves a seamless transition to midfield creator could, and I think should, be in Rooney’s future.”

The word ‘could’ would be more appropriate than ‘should’ imo..
I don’t see how getting older would make him drop deeper into midfield unless our midfield is in a hell of a mess and we need a quick fix..

I don’t think that even if Macheda, Hernandez, Welbeck and/or any other strikers were to make a name for themselves, Rooney will be asked to play as a midfield creator..
Maybe if he’ll be asked to drop back deeper from the front line (since Berba probably either retire or left already) but not necessarily a scholesy type of player..

by dingmajiao on Aug 20, 2010 4:51 AM BST up reply actions  

I did use the word 'could'

the word should was only in relation to my personal opinion. I think he should. But I admit that it probably won’t happen.

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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Aug 20, 2010 6:46 PM BST up reply actions  

Square peg round hole

It’ll fit if you hit it hard enough but why not just ukse a round hole? Gibson and Cleverly are the exact type of players that are modeled after Scholsey. You’re NEVER going to replace the Ginger Prince, NEVER. Leave Rooney in the spot that he plays best and bring up the talent from the academy.

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by ChillMike on Aug 18, 2010 6:22 PM BST reply actions  

The jury is still out on Cleverley, but Gibson is basically a shooter and that’s it. Scholes is one of the elite passers of his generation.

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"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona

by Useful_Idiot on Aug 18, 2010 7:20 PM BST up reply actions  

Earlier in his career Scholes

was a striker. Then an attacking midfielder who got in the box and scored goals. Now he lies a bit deeper and dictates the play. Players roles can change as they grow and get older.

Here is a question for you though. How do you know what Rooney’s best position is? Or what his best position will be in 5 years?

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by Section 312 on Aug 18, 2010 7:47 PM BST up reply actions  

My response it simple

Scholesy never netted 30 some odd goals playing striker. Sorry, an interesting idea but taking a 30 goal scoring striker and moving him to another role just doesn’t make any sense to me.

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by ChillMike on Aug 19, 2010 6:32 PM BST up reply actions  

Scholes scored

20 playing as the second striker behind RVN back in 2002-2003. He was never going to be a lone striker capable of scoring 30 plus goals but that doesn’t mean Rooney isn’t capable of being an attacking midfielder because he is capable of being a lone striker. The logic doesn’t work there.

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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
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by Section 312 on Aug 19, 2010 11:04 PM BST up reply actions  

I don’t think we are talking about capable or not..

We’re just thinking it doesnt make sense to move Rooney into another role when he can get u 30 odd goals when playing up front..

Unless Hernandez/Macheda/Welbeck or whoever grows and can give u solid 20 goals/season (pretty much possible), I can’t see Rooney moving away from a forward’s role..

And even if they could, imagine the damage of a 50-60 goals/season striker force..
That would be scary.. (this provided that the service is there of course)..

I dun think this idea is absurd, i think it’s pretty workable but I think it will not happen..

by dingmajiao on Aug 20, 2010 4:55 AM BST up reply actions  

Let's be clear here

Rooney has had one prolific season where he got more than 30 goals. His next highest total is 23. So let’s not get too worked up about him being a 30 goal a season guy until he proves he can do it consistently.

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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Aug 20, 2010 6:48 PM BST up reply actions  

As great as Rooney is, a lot of his goals last seasons came from simple tap-ins and headers. It’s a testament to the delivery from guys like Valencia, Giggs, Fletcher, Scholes, etc. He can still come forward on set pieces and be a threat in the air.

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by Useful_Idiot on Aug 20, 2010 11:01 PM BST up reply actions  

He really made a name for himself in his first couple seasons as being a guy that can shoot from distance with deadly power and accuracy. We saw a lot less of that last season.

Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- Republik of Mancunia
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona

by Useful_Idiot on Aug 20, 2010 11:02 PM BST up reply actions  

We've seen a lot less of it every year

since he has been at United. He has changed his game a lot since SAF got a hold of him. Changed his game for the better. He also dribbles and runs at defenders less than he used to and makes the ball do the work for him with his passing. Something a midfielder must be able to do to play at United.

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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Aug 20, 2010 11:50 PM BST up reply actions  

I've read this whole thread

I absolutely agree. Rooney is/was a fantastic player when he’s playing behind someone in the formation. He hasn’t had to do that because there hasn’t been a true striker to move ahead of him in the formation since van Nistelrooy left. When Ronaldo was tearing it up a couple years ago, Rooney was dropping back and cleaning up the rebounds.

Without Ruud or CR7 around, he HAS to be the main threat and is forced to play forward. Berbatov can’t be “that” striker and neither can Owen. It’s not looking good for Macheda to fall into that role either. But those 3 weren’t really brought in to be a lone striker….Hernandez, however, appears to have that ability.

I totally get what you’re saying and have been thinking the same thing to myself for a while. Especially when he roams around the pitch at will as he does on occasion. I wouldn’t even call Rooney a striker when he does that…I call him a “Rover.”

Here’s the thing…this idea, while a good one, is unlikely to happen. You say (and I agree) that it’s not something that will happen in the near future…but how much longer will SAF be around to institute such an idea? How many other managers (besides the obvious possibilty that Giggs or Ole replace SAF) would be open to moving such an attacking threat inside the formation like that?

by CPC on Aug 21, 2010 1:45 AM BST up reply actions  

It won’t happen, but I think it would make a lot of sense. I would disagree that Berbatov can’t be that guy. How often have we seen him play as a lone striker? His poor games come when he doesn’t get enough touches and it seems like he disappears. When the ball is at his feet, good things happen.

Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- Republik of Mancunia
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona

by Useful_Idiot on Aug 21, 2010 2:25 AM BST up reply actions  

It's an interesting question

and I am not sure if there are very many managers who would be willing to try something like this. But maybe there are. I mean in a 4-5-1 formation where you want a player to help out in midfield and then get forward to support a lone striker and provide both quality service with the ability to unlock defenses as well as goals I am not sure there are too many players in the world suited for that role more than Rooney. And as he gets older he would naturally drop a little deeper to control play the way Scholes has.

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"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor

by Section 312 on Aug 23, 2010 5:56 PM BST up reply actions  

I like it

At least Wayne knows how to tackle. And we have a seemingly infinite supply of strikers.

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by dorsal on Aug 18, 2010 10:19 PM BST reply actions  

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