Arsene Wenger tosser or wally?
by Section 312 on Aug 21, 2010 12:21 AM BST
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You might not have seen the recent comments from Arsene Wenger when asked about Paul Scholes. So I will fill you in. Here is a link to the entire article in the Telegraph. And here is the main quote I have a problem with.
You ask me was Scholes a fair player: I say no,” said Wenger. “I’m sorry, for me he was not a fair player. There’s a little bit of a darker side in him, sometimes, that I did not like. I respect him highly as a quality player but I did not like some things he did on the football pitch and I have the right to say that. It’s not because you are older suddenly that you are a saint. “The regret I have personally is he was not always the fairest player.
First of all Wenger's complaints about guys like Fletcher have gotten old. We get it Arsene. You want your players to be able to run around and pass in beautiful triangles without being touched. Well guess what? Too f*ucking bad. Football is a man's game and tackling is as much a part of the game as passing and shooting. If you had a Darren Fletcher at the heart of your midfield you may have won a title in recent memory. I mean seriously Arsene. Get a grip. Tackling and defending isn't 'anti-football' IT IS FOOTBALL!!!! As much as attacking and scoring are.
Secondly Arsene, you used to be the boss in charge of the dirtiest team in the Premier League since Billy Bremner strapped on the boots for Leeds. How many red cards did the teams with Henry and Viera pick up? Yellow cards? More than any other team in the league is how many. By a large margin. So what? Now that your team is spineless and can't hold onto a title challenge once the weather turns cold you have realized the error of your ways? Nope. You are just a hypocrite.
Seriously. This is Paul f*cking Scholes. Paul Scholes!!!! He is the worst tackler in the league. And you could maybe argue he knows what he is doing. But calling Paul Scholes dirty? Or 'unfair' which is the word you used cause you are too much of a coward to say what you mean? That's ludicrous. Roy Keane Paul Scholes is not.
I mean no one asked you if he was fair. You were asked to talk about how great he is. How wonderful he has been as a player for so many years and how professional he has been to stay in top form all these years. If SAF was asked to talk about how great Viera was do you think he would go straight to the dirty player card? Probably not.Sure you went on to say nice things about Scholes as a player but sorry it's too late at that point.
Oh and sorry Telegraph hacks. The stats don't support Wenger. Scholes has been booked 81 times, 5th most in Premier League history, but he has also made over 400 league appearances. He has been booked at a rate of once every 5th match. Patrick Viera was red carded 8 times, twice as many as Scholes and he did it in just 259 appearances. Lee Bowyer has been yellow carded more than anyone in the history of the Premier League with 94 and he has done that in just 365 league appearances. Scholes isn't anywhere close to as 'unfair' as those two players. Or others like Keane, Michael Brown or Robbie Savage.
Paul Scholes is a class act on and off the pitch who is widely celebrated for his professionalism and ability and rightly so. Arsene Wenger is a has been manager who can't win trophies anymore and has always had an inferiority complex about United and our players. So I ask is he a tosser or a wally?
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Hey Wenger
Win a trophy without Henry then smack your gums. I may be wrong, but I don’t think Arsenal has won a trophy since 2005.
I just don’t get how it is unfair. You tackle harshly, you get a booking. Pretty simple. Scholes is a bad tackler and he’s gotten penalized for it. Where is the problem?
It’s not as if he goes in looking to injure a player.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
Green and Gold Till the Club is Sold- Republik of Mancunia
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
It's only a problem
if you are French and afraid of conflict.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 21, 2010 7:12 AM BST up reply actions
Yeah, he goes into challenges rashly but everytime it’s because he got the timing wrong or the player flicks the ball away leading to him taking out the player rather than the ball…
His motive of going into challenge have always been for the ball not for the player..
The only time Wenger can say he’s a little dirty will be him handling to prevent the goal.. (Fulham for example) ..
Way to go, Wigan. Dominate the first thirty minutes, then just stand around in your own box and gift Chelsea the lead.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
Way to not read the whole quote
This is pathetic really. Arsene was asked at an ARSENAL press conference, for an ARSENAL game about scholes for a BBC focus thing. You know, the BBC which your manager won’t talk to.
He praised Scholes highly actually.
“I believe Paul Scholes is still one of the greatest football players in England,” said Wenger. “His contribution to the success of Manchester United is absolutely huge.”
“He did not get completely [the credit] he deserves as a football player, because he is not a ‘media lion’, a player [that] runs after the media to be in the papers. And I respect that a lot.”
“Who would not have liked Paul Scholes in their team because he is an absolutely fantastic football player. When he has the ball at his feet and you are a central defender, you have to be on your toes because he can still today find anybody in the box – and we have seen that again against Newcastle on Monday night.”
He then said the piece about ‘the darker side’ which you cannot argue is true. And no one asked him about his old team and how dirty they were. Which no one denies they were.
Just get the whole story next time.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/-scholes-doesn-t-get-the-credit-he-deserves-
Um, Okay
Could you point to the part where we discussed how Wenger thought Scholes was an overrated or poor player? You can’t?
The whole point of this post is to discuss Scholes’ awful tackling and whether or not that makes him a dirty player… Not about whether or not Arsene Wenger thinks Paul Scholes is good. Give me a break.
And honestly, what difference does it make whether he was asked this at an ARSENAL press conference after an ARSENAL game.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 21, 2010 10:59 PM BST up reply actions
Makes a difference because who fricken cares about a player who has absolutely nothing to do with the game that they are at the press conference for?
And the point is your blasting a guy for giving an honest opinion about a guy, who then compliments him higher than most would. And then bitch and complain about the fact that Scholes has a tendancy to be a dirty bugger during games, which everyone and his dog knows about.
Really, where is the evidence that Scholes tackles with malicious intentions? He can’t time his tackles to save his life, but it’s ridiculous to call him an unfair player.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 22, 2010 2:18 AM BST up reply actions
It’s ridiculous to think that a guy who plays football for his life cannot time a tackle still in his mid 30s (or however old he is exactly).
If you truly beleive that, wow, you’re sure drinking the koo-laid my friend.
No it isn’t. He’s overly aggressive, but it’s part of his game. Opposing players have nothing but praise for his integrity, so I’ll say it again: where is the evidence that he is a dirty player?
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 23, 2010 1:44 AM BST up reply actions
He really is actually. He commits cynical fouls.
It’s amazing you think otherwise really. Must be because he is english.
So
You have nothing, then? Didn’t think so.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 23, 2010 11:58 PM BST up reply actions
Makes a difference because who fricken cares about a player who has absolutely nothing to do with the game that they are at the press conference for?
Then direct your complaints to The BBC
Beyond that, Arsene said what he said and it’s open to interpretation. Sorry, we take issue with it. You’d probably be whining if Sir Alex had said something about an Arsenal player. It’s the internet, get over it.
I read the whole story
but calling a player dirty isn’t made OK by also calling him great. So you missed the point. But that’s OK that’s the Arsenal way. You’ve been missing the point for years.
It is hypocritical for the man who managed players like Viera, Petit and now Eboue to complain about people like Scholes and Fletcher the way Wenger does.
If he had any class and respect for his opponents he would have said Scholes is a great player and moved on and kept his opinion about him being a dirty player to himself. But he didn’t. That says everything you need to know about the manager you revere who can’t win trophies anymore.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 23, 2010 6:21 AM BST up reply actions
Wenger is an honest man, and possibly too honest for his own good at times.
No one denies Arsenal had some dirty players, and everyone knows Eboue dives.
He was asked for his honest opinion, and he gave it. Everyone knows Scholes has no issues with a cynical tackle. And you freak out about it?
Seems like your missing the point in what Wenger said more than anything.
Which is why you made your way over here to complain about it
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 23, 2010 11:54 PM BST up reply actions
Pathetic. Really pathetic.
Like the rest of the media, you tossers seem to ignore the comments he also made about Scholes. Like how he was the model professional, and how he’s one of the greatest footballers in England.
Morons, just like the rest of Manure fans.
Oh, and we may not have won a trophy since 2005, but we also have no big £700m debt like you guys do.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
Troll
Nobody said Wenger didn’t say anything good about Scholes. This post/thread is concerning his comments about Scholes’ “dark side.” You Arsenal-types need to learn to read instead of coming on here spouting off.
Exactly. This entire thread is directed at the comments regarding Scholes being a dirty player. Why can’t these dumb Arse fans realize this?
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 23, 2010 1:42 AM BST up reply actions
I don’t know how to clarify the point any more than we have.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 23, 2010 1:57 AM BST up reply actions
And you've been a United for how long?
since 1999 maybe?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 23, 2010 12:30 PM BST up reply actions
Cool, let’s make arguments we can’t possibly prove!
But now that you’ve brought up 1999, what are your thoughts on Giggs’ stunning goal in the FA Cup semi final? I can’t remember who he scored it against, but it was a nice goal, if I remember correctly. Would you agree?
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 23, 2010 11:46 PM BST up reply actions
I think it was against Arsenal
but now that you’ve brought up goals, how about Wiltord v United in 2001, at Old Trafford?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 24, 2010 4:15 PM BST up reply actions
See it's funny that you think
a goal that won the league would be equivalent to the goal that not only kept the treble bid alive but most likely created the momentum and belief that got the team through those difficult closing games. Those two goals aren’t even comparable.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 24, 2010 6:12 PM BST up reply actions
Sure they are
A goal that won the league at the ground of the title holder, who had won the league the past 3 years
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 24, 2010 11:17 PM BST up reply actions
Come on
it’s not even close. One clinched a title. One helped clinch a Treble. Not to mention the fact that you were chasing a double and it was extra time in the greatest FA Cup game I have ever seen and United were down to 10 men and Bergkamp had missed a penalty. Giggs’ goal was also one of the great solo goals in FA Cup history. Wiltord scored a goal that ‘clinched’ a title you were going to clinch eventually anyway. Not even comparable. You just don’t have much of a history of great goals I guess if that’s the best you can come up with.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 24, 2010 11:38 PM BST up reply actions
The point is, you’re making dumb arguments. Mets + Arsenal = probably a very bitter fan.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 25, 2010 5:47 AM BST up reply actions
And being a United fan
makes you a glory seeking wanker
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 25, 2010 1:39 PM BST up reply actions
So you’ve been an Arsenal fan since 2001, maybe?
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 24, 2010 6:25 PM BST up reply actions
nah, I've been one since 1988
when I was 4
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 24, 2010 6:40 PM BST up reply actions
We’ve won three league titles and a european championship during the time we’ve had that debt. As you’ve pointed out, Arsenal has won… Nothing. Without a massive debt weighing them down. Can’t wait to see what Wenger does with the money he gets for Fabregas when he scurries away from your club next season, though.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 23, 2010 1:41 AM BST up reply actions
So it's OK to call a player dirty if you also say he is good?
OK fine. I will rephrase Wenger style.
Arsene Wenger is a very good manager and one of the best in England the last 15 or so years. He is also a whinny hypocrite who needs to show some respect to his opponents.
Is that better?
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 23, 2010 6:18 AM BST up reply actions
but he didn't not show respect
he said that Scholes has a dark side. What is wrong with saying that? We all know it’s true.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 23, 2010 12:29 PM BST up reply actions
Well if you want to actually read what I wrote
go nuts. You might find that I have a problem with Arsene calling Scholes unfair which is coward for ‘dirty’. A dark side? Yeah. he is a bad tackler and as I admitted in my post above, again if you care to read, a lot of the time he probably knows exactly what he is doing. But to call him ‘unfair’ is crossing the line. There is nothing unfair about mistiming a tackle and letting your midfield opponent know you are about. That’s football. What Roy Keane did to Alfie Haaland was dirty. Scholes has never done anything like that.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 23, 2010 5:43 PM BST up reply actions
There is nothing unfair about mistiming a tackle and letting your midfield opponent know you are about
No, absolutely nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with a reducing leg crunching late tackle, right?
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 23, 2010 7:29 PM BST up reply actions
Not sure what your point is
as I said Football is a man’s sport and if you can’t take the physicality you can piss off. Late tackles are a part of the game. If you get rid of late tackles you would have to get rid of tackles all together and while that would be OK with Arsene I am sure it wouldn’t be OK with actual fans of this sport. Players getting hurt sucks but it’s part of the game. Late tackles are punished as well with free kicks and yellow cards. Again that’s part of the sport.
It still isn’t dirty though.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 23, 2010 9:29 PM BST up reply actions
Not sure what your point is
No one is saying get rid of tackling. No one is saying that. But Paul Scholes is a dirty player. He has a reputation for bad and late tackling. That makes him a dirty player. Patrick Vieira is also a dirty player.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 23, 2010 11:56 PM BST up reply actions
He has a reputation for bad and late tackling. That makes him a dirty player
No, it makes him a bad tackler. His aggressiveness and his inability to time his tackles don’t mix well.
Guys like Materazzi, Viera, and Roy Keane, who have all been known to tackle with the intent to injure another player, are dirty. That’s the difference. It’s quite simple.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 24, 2010 12:02 AM BST up reply actions
Excellent point
I am sure the Arse supporters will ignore it.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 24, 2010 7:29 AM BST up reply actions
oh come on
He’s been tackling like that for years. He’s never tried to become a better tackler as some players have. He routinely gets about 9 yellow cards a year.
Also there is a difference between intending to hurt and being dirty; you can be a dirty player and make late challenges and not intend to hurt someone: I don’t think Martin Taylor or Ryan Shawcross ever intended to hurt, but they’re still dirty challenges and thus dirty players.
"We're investigating the investigative procedure of the investigation of Tony Bernazard"---Omar Minaya (he really didn't say it but he would"
by firejerrynow on Aug 24, 2010 11:57 AM BST up reply actions
How do you know?
if he “tried to become a better tackler”? Were you at Carrington watching all the training? Yeah, he routinely gets several yellows a year…even to the point where SAF will have him get his 5th (and thus the 1 game suspension) when we can afford to lose him.
You STILL have yet to provide any evidence that he’s “dirty.” You keep saying he is….over and over again…like that’s proof in itself. Time to “put up or shutup” as they say.
This is flat out wrong
Also there is a difference between intending to hurt and being dirty; you can be a dirty player and make late challenges and not intend to hurt someone
Intentionally trying to injure your opponent is pretty much the definition of being a dirty or ‘unfair’ player. That’s pretty much exactly what makes a player dirty. How do you not get this? Being a bad tackler and getting booked doesn’t make a player dirty. Dirty is Eboue, Viera, Keane, Savage etc etc etc. Joey Barton is a dirty player.
Paul Scholes is not. He is just a bad tackler who was raised in an era when a midfielder was expected to let his opponents know he was around. As I said above there is nothing dirty or unfair about that. That is football.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 24, 2010 6:17 PM BST up reply actions
Wow. How about in baseball. Are all pitchers with relatively poor control dirty players? Someone like Tim Wakefield, who is in the top 10 off all-time HBP leaders, is a dirtier player than guys like VIcente Padilla and Jose Mesa, who have thrown at batters’ heads?
It’s all about intent, and that’s exactly how Wenger meant it.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 24, 2010 6:31 PM BST up reply actions
Which is very true.
But then, your beloved Ferguson hasn’t shown respect to any opponent in how long?
RIight, pretty much never.
See what I did? Same thing as you, whinging when we all know it’s the truth.
I have no problem admitting
that Ferguson is a flawed person. We all are. But please feel free to provide me with a quote where he has disrespected one of the great players in the game. If you can find it I would be very interested to read it.
But I was writing a post about Arsene Wenger not Alex Ferguson. What’s your argument here? That it’s OK for Arsene to do it cause Fergie would do it? It doesn’t really hold water.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 23, 2010 5:40 PM BST up reply actions
I’ve yet to see anything from these Arsenal fans that would suggest Paul Scholes is a dirty player. Opposing players have come out in droves over the last few years to sing his praises, commenting on his abilities as well as his integrity as a player.
Yet we’re supposed to accept the opinions of a few misguided Arsenal fans, who have presented nothing except “it’s obvious”. Oh, okay. Good argument.
Wayne Rooney, 1/27/10: Cometh The Hour, Cometh The Man
My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
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