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A tactical and statistical analysis of Wesley Sneijder - is he a system fit at Manchester United?

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Much of the discussion in the football world the past few days has been about the potential incoming transfer of Wesley Sneijder to Manchester United. Depending on the source, United are either on the verge of signing the Dutch playmaker or as Sir Alex Ferguson indicated yesterday from Seattle while on the club's United States tour, they have "no real interest at this moment in time" for him. Whether or not the boss is being coy, and there certainly are many who feel that way, that saga can be followed in various forums, publications, and pubs. Here though, I simply seek to do an analysis, both tactical and statistical, and use that information in an attempt to logically project how Sneijder could fit-in at Old Trafford.  

Introduction

Sneijder began his career at the famed Ajax youth academy and he made his first professional appearance for the senior side in February 2003. He soon became an established member of the fabled club and went on to score 48 goals in 127 appearances before his £20 million transfer to Real Madrid in August 2007. After spending two seasons in La Liga and netting 11 goals in 52 appearances for Madrid, the midfield general was sold in August 2009 to his current club, Internazionale. During his initial season with the Serie A side, Sneijder found immediate success as he led Inter to the treble - the title haul including the Scudetto, Coppa Italia, and UEFA Champions League. On the international stage, the Dutchman has shined as well - most notably during last summer's World Cup in South Africa where he netted five goals while leading his side to the final. 

The attacking midfielder is generally regarded as one of the world's best footballers. His genuine two-footed ability is reflected in both his strong shooting ability and wide range of passing. Although not particularly gifted with pace or height, Sneijder shows quickness in tight spaces and strength on the ball due to a low center of gravity and adequate upper-body strength. His technical and physical ability strongly complements an intelligent football brain - the summation of this is an incredibly dangerous attacker; one that is also lethal on free-kicks. 

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Tactics

For both club and country, whether it be it in a 4-2-3-1, 4-1-2-1-2, or various forms of 4-3-3, Sneijder nearly always plays behind the striker(s) as a trequartista. In this role, where the natural territory is between the opposition's defense and midfield lines, the Dutchman is his side's chief creative force. It is through him where goalscoring inspiration often stems from - whether that be in the chances he creates for others with a killer final ball in the attack or the shots he fires towards goal. The skillset mentioned in the introduction - mainly his superb technical ability, vision, and intelligence in finding open space - enables him to unlock opposing defenses.

In the shapes that Sneijder's sides generally play in, he either has two or three other players behind him in the center providing bite and industry. In turn, this provides him the freedom to roam into the areas of open space between the lines with minimal defensive responsibility. If the opposition deploy a shape with only two central midfielders, Inter or the Netherlands will simply overrun them by passing around them through the center. For example, against Bayern Munich in the 2010 Champions League final, the German side's two-central players attempted to close down Inter's two deeper-lying midfielders and as a result, Sneijder was free to drift into the space between lines - from there, his free role was one of the keys to Inter's final conquering of Europe. 

More often than not though, Sneijder will find more foes in the center of the pitch - especially in the Serie A where most sides use tactics that congest the center of the park. The trequartista plays a prominant role in Italian football, so much so, that some clubs even use two of them behind a single striker. Therefore, it is not illogical to conclude that the responding tactical trend may have been the use of more holding midfielders or diamond shaped midfields to combat these dangerous playmakers. It is quite impressive that Sneijder has had such consistent success when considering this. 

However, despite his world-class ability, Sneijder has not proven to be completely immune to holding players being deployed in the space where he likes to habitat. For example, it could be argued that Sergio Busquets completely man-marked Sneijder out of the World Cup final in South Africa. In order to combat this problem when it arises, Sneijder has often adjusted by coming deeper for the ball. However, while still proving to be effective in swinging the ball around with quick and tidy distribution, Sneijder's influence typically wanes in this scenario because he is farther away from goal - where it is more difficult to use his strength of shooting and providing incisive killer pass in the final third. 

Statistics

Here's an examination of Sneijder's key Serie A season statistics from 2010-11 :

Appearances

22(3)

Goals

4

Passes per game

60.1

Assists

5

Pass completion %

85%

Shots per game

3

Key passes per game

2.9

Successful dribbles per game

1.1

Accurate crosses per game

1.2

Fouls suffered per game

1.6

Accurate long balls per game

4.8

Tackles won per game

0.6

Accurate though balls per game

0.6

Interceptions per game

0.4

 

In Sneijder's two seasons with Inter, he has started 46 league matches out of a possible 78. Going back to his last season with Real Madrid, he only started 18 league matches out of a possible 38. This rate is alarming and hints at possible durability issues and/or proneness to injury. Perhaps it can be chalked up to bad fortune but it should be noted that these injuries occured during his mid-20s - a span of years that typically lies within athlete's physical prime. 

Both Sneijder's 60.1 passes per game with a 85% pass completion percentage is impressive, especially when considering how high up the pitch he plays. This is an indication that he dictates matches for Inter and when combined with his 2.9 key passes per game (defense splitting passes), which ranks near the top in Serie A, it is quite clear that the Dutchman is a creative force. In addition, his accurate crosses, long balls, and through balls per game ranks amongst the leaders in Serie A - further tangible evidence of his incisive passing. 

Despite having the reputation as an impressive goalscorer, Sneijder only scored one of his four Serie A goals from the run of play - his goalscoring rate has declined the past few seasons from his debut season at Real Madrid and his latter seasons at Ajax. Nonetheless, the goals are still considered an adequate amount for an attacking midfielder. 

His defensive numbers match his reputation as a lackadaisical defender. However, because of the free role he is given high up the pitch, where his defensive responsibility usually includes tracking the opposition's deepest-lying midfielder or a center-back, this is not particularly alarming - it merely provides no evidence that he can defend in a two-man central midfield. 

Is Sneijder a fit at United?

Before discussing where Sneijder could possibly fit-in at United, it would be sensible to first discuss the tactical systems used by Fergie. During his quarter-century reign at the club, the manager has evolved as a tactician and this progression has seen more success for the club in Europe during the past decade. While he is willing to fiddle between two or three man central midfields, usually opposition dependent, two constants have remained in Fergie's tactical strategy in either system: (1) the use of wingers to attack from the flanks. (2) a creative player that roams between the lines. 

When using 4-4-2, or a closely resembling variation, Fergie typically has one central midfielder play slightly deeper with ball-winning responsibility (e.g. Roy Keane, 2011 Michael Carrick) while the other is afforded a bit more freedom to join the attack (e.g. Paul Scholes, 2011 run-in Ryan Giggs). The latter is probably the role most envision when they seek the "Scholes' replacement." As for his striker partnership, one typically stretches the opposition's defense by playing on the last defender's shoulder (e.g. Chicharito) while the other drops deeper and operates in the hole (e.g. Eric Cantona, 2011 Wayne Rooney). 

When using a three-man central midfield, typically in a 4-3-3/4-5-1 hybrid shape, one of the two central midfielders from 4-4-2 typically drops a bit deeper to provide extra defensive cover while the additional third central midfielder acts as an attacker higher up the pitch - just slightly deeper than the role of a withdrawn striker from 4-4-2.

Where does Sneijder fit in these systems? This much is clear - he'd likely be an ideal attacking midfielder in a 4-3-3/4-5-1 shape while the likes of Rooney, Nani, Antonio Valencia, etc play in the attacking band. With Rooney in a false nine role, one in which he thrived in during the 2009-10 season, and with Carrick and either Darren Fletcher or Anderson behind him, Sneijder would be free to wander between the lines in order to link the midfield and attack. If the players behind him were able to dictate matches with consistent ball-winning and tidy distribution, Sneijder could be left to provide defense splitting passes that unlock the stingiest of defenses. 

Where does this leave Chicharito and Dimitar Berbatov? Where does this leave Rooney, who regained his form as a talisman last Spring in a withdrawn and playmaking role from playing between the lines - a role he personally prefers? Perhaps because of this, Fergie went with a 4-4-1-1 shape for the title and Champions League run-in and essentially ditched the idea of a three-man central midfield for the time-being. Rooney's industry from a withdrawn role enabled him to track back and defend against the opposition's deepest-lying midfielder against opposition with an extra man in the middle. In addition, Carrick and Giggs gained form and formed a fine complimentary partnership behind Rooney. This worked very well, including against quality sides such as Chelsea FC, but it was exposed by both Arsenal FC and FC Barcelona late in the season - two sides that move fluidity and understand movement between the lines. 

Conclusion

There are two questions to ask if Sneijder is bought by United in the coming days:

(1) How does Fergie get Rooney, Chicharito, and Sneijder all on the pitch together? More specifically, can Sneijder operate in a two-man central midfield? This is the true role that has been vacated by the retirement of Scholes - a player that plays deeper than a trequartista and dictates matches with controlled and assured passing while providing the ability to get forward for delayed runs into the box. While Scholes was never the greatest of defenders, he at least proved himself adequate to operate in a two-man midfield -albeit aided for years by the incredible Keano. Valid questions remain whether Sneijder can operate adequately in a similar role where he drops deep, picks the ball up from defenders, and provides enough bite defensively in a central midfield two.

(2) If the answer to the above question is no, or even an uncertainty, then the second question would be how much is Fergie going to use a three-man central midfield? Answering this question with certainty is impossible for anyone outside the club, but there are no indications that Fergie would completely drop a 4-4-2 system, albeit with tweaks, that has successfully been in use for the past 25 years. Rooney thrived by playing between the lines last season so there is a feeling of redundancy by bringing in Sneijder - especially for ~£35 million.

Sneijder is undeniably brilliant, and because of this, I would not feel the move is foolish if he were to be brought in. Fergie would surely have a plan (I've selectively forgot all about Juan Sebastian Veron). In fact, with his recent tendency to miss a number of matches throughout the season due to injury, perhaps he could be rested for a number of Premier League matches, where Fergie would likely prefer to go 4-4-2 for the majority , and then used in Europe and for big domestic matches. If Rooney could once again find his form as a false nine, then this would certainly makes us better against our more formidable opponents. 

However, is this an efficient use of resources for a player that is tactically limited to our specific club? A lot of uncertainties seemed to come to up in regards to this potential signing. Although he seems keen on going to Chelsea at this point, I can't help but to think what Tottenham would think if we came to them with £35 million for a certain Croatian (no, not Niko Kranjcar) that would provide a more prudent fit. If Lionel Messi's experience with the Argentina national team has taught us anything, it is this - no matter the greatness of any footballer, even possibly the greatest on the planet, the right system fit matters - this is my concern. 

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fergie said no

muppet dream over :(

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by 'tough as nails' spence on Jul 15, 2011 12:34 PM BST reply actions  

Very good piece

And I see the logic you go for. However I think you nailed it in the last few paragraphs, it seems Fergie is determined for more success in Europe. And because United will be on multiple campaigns, it makes sense to have a deep, deep roster. Also this gives players rest. Nani seemed to have run out of gas last year for example. I was watching a soccernet press pass, and one of the guys had suggested that Ashley Young was more for Premier League and Nani would be more.for Champions League. Could see the same philosophy with Sneijder. I agree 35 million euros for one game seems a lot, but of United had Sneijder against Barcelona could it have been a different story?

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by Mateo9399 on Jul 15, 2011 2:16 PM BST up reply actions  

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This was just for the article.

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by Mateo9399 on Jul 15, 2011 2:16 PM BST up reply actions  

Great write-up Gene

really good piece…..

I’m still a bit on the fence. Strangely enough just before you wrote “I’ve selectively forgot all about Seba”, i really started thinking man this is starting to sound a lot like Seba, trying to force a square peg in to a round hole. Not that he couldn’t fit in at all but I donno 35 million is a heck of a lot of cash to be splashing on a hope.

I will say this the worst part of all this is not knowing if he’s coming over or not….the media says yes the demi-god says no. Hair pulling stuff for sure!

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by ChillMike on Jul 15, 2011 3:35 PM BST reply actions  

Totally agree

I immediately started thinking about Veron. It sounds, like you said, “trying to fit a square peg into a round hole”. That is not to say that it wouldn’t work. But it is not as cut and dry as you would think. I LOVE Sneijder. I was thinking United should go after him after the world cup. But then I began to think about the system we play. Sneijder seems born to play in the 4-2-3-1 system that the Dutch play. Maybe we could use him in a diamond shape, but I don’t think Fergie is too keen on the diamond. It just offers too many questions for me at 35 mil. But if they decided to pull the trigger I would not be too upset either. I would prefer the previously mentioned Croatian. I think he would be absolutely PERFECT. But he seems to want to go to Chelsea. Oh, well. I also would not be too upset if they kept the squad as is.

by eamon17 on Jul 16, 2011 3:15 PM BST up reply actions  

The problem with Seba

was that United had a pretty rigid system at the time. Giggs on the left Keane and Scholes in the middle and Beckham on the right with two strikers. When Fergie first started trying to be a but more flexible with the formations it was a struggle. That’s one of the things that Fergie really improved in the last 6-7 years that helped in Europe. So I don’t think the Seba thing is a fair comparison.

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by Section 312 on Jul 18, 2011 5:37 AM BST up reply actions  

I would agree that Fergie has become MUCH more flexible in his formations. That is one of the reasons of his continued success. I do think it is fair to have some reservations about paying that much money for a player that MIGHT not fit. I will say that I think Fergie has the ability to make it work, its just not as much of a given to me. I will say that I would be VERY excited if they brought in Sneijder. I just think that Modric would be a more definite fit. But I would be happy either way.

by eamon17 on Jul 18, 2011 8:48 PM BST up reply actions  

Well ANY player we sign

MIGHT not fit. That’s the risk you take. But I bet you the scouts at Fergie’s disposal have no reservations about Sneijder’s ability to fit into the team.

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by Section 312 on Jul 18, 2011 9:47 PM BST up reply actions  

Thanks guys for the kind words

If the Sneijder signing happens, I’m fairly sure I can get myself excited – he’s simply too brilliant. But, I would still have the concerns that I outlined.

In some ways, Fergie does have his preferences for Europe and other big matches. Despite having Ronaldo, Rooney, and Tevez on that great 2007-08 side, we were still a counter-attacking side – albeit an incredible one (e.g Park, Rooney, and Ronaldo’s goal vs Arsenal). Fergie loves to have the industry and bite – thus, that’s why Park, Hargreaves (for a season), and Fletcher get the nod in the biggest of matches. That defensive assuredness is also what made Antonio Valencia first-choice for the run-in over Nani a few months back.

Point being, let Nani, Berba, and Chicharito go wild on the Premier League. But if Sneijder comes, we could a potentially great and balanced 4-3-3 lineup in Europe – (L to R) Park-Rooney-Valencia on attack band; Carrick holding, either Ando, Fletch or Giggs in a box-to-box role, with Sneijder as the attacking midfielder. If that lineup was able to beat the domestic sides and European foes, then it would justify the ÂŁÂŁÂŁ.

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by Gene Um on Jul 15, 2011 8:11 PM BST reply actions  

Honestly that can be the only justification.

Fergie is trying to be as deep, balanced, and as versatile as he can be. However I do wonder where Young fits into all this. Would it make more sense for Young against Premier teams and Nani for Europe? Either way, having too many good players is never a problem, and having too many good players who are versatile as well is just what every coach dreams of.

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by Mateo9399 on Jul 15, 2011 9:55 PM BST up reply actions  

Great article as usual.. I’m just waiting for news.. I am fine with him not coming.. But if he were, I’ll be fairly excited too..

by dingmajiao on Jul 18, 2011 4:20 PM BST up reply actions  

By 'Europe' don't we mean 'Barcelona'?

“…it could be argued that Sergio Busquets completely man-marked Sneijder out of the World Cup final in South Africa.”

Er, doesn’t Busquets play for Barca at the club level?

On the flip side, Sneijder’s Inter eliminated Barca on their way to the CL title two seasons ago. (Inter’s second match against Barca was the most defensively-committed match I’ve ever seen.) Of course, they also had Mourinho… But we have Fergie…

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by yeahblah on Jul 16, 2011 4:42 AM BST reply actions  

LOL

all good discussion points!

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by Gene Um on Jul 16, 2011 6:22 AM BST up reply actions  

If it wasn’t for Barcelona we could conceivably have five European championships. If Fergie is a legend already, he’d be a god.

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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 19, 2011 4:56 AM BST up reply actions  

Why couldn’t we just put Chicharito up front with Rooney and Sneijder directly behind him? Fletcher/Carrick plays the role of the holding midfielder with Nani and Valencia on the flanks. I can’t see Ferguson spending loads of money on a player he has coveted for quite some time, and then putting him in a position to fail.

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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 16, 2011 7:27 AM BST reply actions  

That’s what I think they should do. I feel, with United, Sneijder would best fit into a diamond shape. But with the diamond you need wingers that will track back and help out Carrick/Fletcher in the midfield. I think Valencia and Young could be good with this set up.

by eamon17 on Jul 16, 2011 3:18 PM BST up reply actions  

I agree. I think in a diamond MF

Sneijder fits just as well. One has to be honest and accept that Giggs, evergreen as he is. Will not last forever as well.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jul 16, 2011 11:16 PM BST up reply actions  

A new formation just to cater to Schneider? Intriguing, but that type of formation means a lot of empty space behind Rooney/Sneijder, especially with Nani not as defensively responsible to tracking back. It leaves a lot of empty space in between Carrick who sits just in front of the D-line, and Rooney + Sneijds., I think.

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by Vancouverguy on Jul 17, 2011 6:58 AM BST up reply actions  

It's not really 'new'

Scholes, as noted in the article, played very close to the same way. I would think of it more as a floating attacking triangle between Sneijder and the two forwards, with the rear-most of them taking the defensive duties. Giggsie when he’s in the center often has less expected of him defensively as well. It’s not so much a “formation” change as simply a recognition of player preferences.

Besides, Fergie has shown an increasing willingness to play some variant of the 4-5-1 over the last three seasons. In that formation, he’s ideal, in either the AMC role or the central MF in the heart of the pitch.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jul 18, 2011 3:48 PM BST up reply actions  

I assume Rooney would be tracking back quite a bit, as he does, so I’m not as worried about the empty space. Park can also get playing time in place of Nani if the situation calls for it.

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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 19, 2011 4:52 AM BST up reply actions  

Nani is slowly picking it up

I was shocked when I heard people talking about Nani leaving…that would be a HUGE blow to United. He’s finally coming in to his own and I expect him to track back a bit more than he has in the past. His english has improved immensely (something that Tevez NEVER put effort in to) and I see him making strides on a weekly basis. He is way less selfish of a player than he used to be. I hope he stays with United for some time to come!

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by ChillMike on Jul 19, 2011 4:59 AM BST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, Nani a core part of the team at the moment, but I mean Park could come in and start there on occasion to hassle the opposing midfield, like he did against Chelsea at Old Trafford in May.

I’m admittedly slightly less of a believer in Nani from time to time, though. Sometimes when he’s on a selfish streak he really seems to cost us chance after chance.

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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 19, 2011 5:06 AM BST up reply actions  

I got ya

I don’t have as big of a man crush on Park as Gene does but 3 Lung is one of my favorites, the guy has the gastank of a footballer I’ve NEVER seen before. The guy can run and run and never lose a step plus he seems to always hit in the quality pass/goal in an important game.

I know what you’re saying about Nani though, there are sometimes when he hits a ball 30 yards out when he should have passed but it’s that odd goal here and there that he makes from there that keeps him trying. It’s almost like when Ronaldo took all of the FKs at first he’d just BLAST it and it’d come off the wall but every once and a while it was gorgeous. Eventually he figured out what to do, I fully believe that Nani is smart enough to start figuring it out soon enough. Plus with Rio’s new phone app….Nani seems like a really cool guy. I REALLY recommend everyone grab the app if they have a smart phone. It contains his twitter posts plus videos he takes…..anything from the team playing FIFA 2010 to signing autographs to just plain interviews, really helps you to view the players as actual people and not commodities.

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by ChillMike on Jul 19, 2011 5:13 AM BST up reply actions  

No one...

Does.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jul 20, 2011 12:16 AM BST up reply actions  

Rooney can be our new Scholes, but who's the new Keano?

Remember how Scholes started as a forward who competed with Andy Cole?
The same thing can happen to Rooney. If we don’t get Sneijder, Rooney can be converted to an attacking midfielder.
In a 4-3-3 formation, Rooney can operate as an attacking midfielder behind Chicharito.
In a 4-2-2 formation, Rooney can operate behind both Chicharito and Berbetov/Welbeck.

I think it is more imperative to have a world class defensive midfielder, which Carrick is clearly not. Who is our new Keano?

by awko on Jul 18, 2011 6:42 AM BST reply actions  

I don't see that.

Scholes was always happier in withdrawn areas.Also, Scholes was always less selfish than Rooney is, not to mention he prefers to operate in the left channel coming toward the box. I don’t see him as ever being a playmaking midfielder. He’s better in off-the-ball runs and popping up in space. Not as a creator.

I do agree that Carrick isn’t good enough as a holding MF against world-class opposition. I don’t think that means we need a Keano box-to-box guy. We just need a more reliable ball-winner who then recognizes when to counter and when to make the simple pass.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jul 18, 2011 3:52 PM BST up reply actions  

I couldn't disagree with this more

Rooney is actually much more of a creator than a traditional striker and much of our success when Ronaldo was around was due to Rooney being our main creative force.

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by Section 312 on Jul 18, 2011 6:57 PM BST up reply actions  

I agree with this point
We just need a more reliable ball-winner who then recognizes when to counter and when to make the simple pass.

If we can improve this area next year then I think my blood pressure will return to a normal rate.

by dorsal on Jul 18, 2011 11:57 PM BST up reply actions  

The thing is, who’s that reliable ball-winner / holding MF?

by awko on Jul 19, 2011 4:10 AM BST up reply actions  

Fletcher

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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 19, 2011 4:45 AM BST up reply actions  

He's one player we can't afford to lose

The one thing United does better than any team in the world (I speak with no hyperbole) is that we have a complete team with players that understand their role. Players like Park, Fletcher, Ando, O’Shea (formerly) Owen, Berba, Evans, more recently Gibson….all realize they aren’t going to get games on a daily basis but are comfortable being the “back ups” and understand their role is just as important as the starters.
Teams like Chelsea and City go out and buy a whole bunch of star players and then wonder why they have unhappy players sitting on the bench.
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by ChillMike on Jul 19, 2011 4:57 AM BST up reply actions  

To be honest, I actually expect Fletcher to get more playing time than Carrick next season if he’s at full health. He was so great and underrated in 09/10, and I hope he can get back to that level again. He has the grind and tenacity to play as our holding midfielder, and he’s an excellent passer when he’s at his best.

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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 19, 2011 5:03 AM BST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd! (we need more recs here!)

He’s not as tenacious as Keano but an apt “replacement” and funny enough I think it was Keano’s hair dryer treatment of him a few years back when Keano singled him out (wonder if the Ireland v Scotland had anything to do with it) He’s stepped it up immensely. It’s strange I don’t know of another sport where there is a guy you jot down first on your team sheet for important games but for the everyday game he may not be included. Really odd but when I see a game against Arsenal, Pool, Chelsea, City I EXPECT to see Fletcher there, but a game against Everton or even Tottenham (cough feeder club cough) I expect him on the bench.

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by ChillMike on Jul 19, 2011 5:08 AM BST up reply actions  

From what I have seen

Darren Fletcher has missed both Barcelona games. If you SAF goes with a 4-4-1-1 with Carrick and Fletcher as the two midfielders, would that have made a huge difference in that game. The way I see it, a 4-4-1-1 is very similar to a 4-2-3-1, especially because of Rooney. I am still fairly new to soccer so I could be way off, so excuse my ignorance.

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by Mateo9399 on Jul 19, 2011 12:14 AM BST reply actions  

I don't think it would've made that big a difference.

I still think Barca passes the ball around MU in the heart of the pitch all day long. Carrick is simply not up to that standard. He’s a squad-rotation player who is having more expected of him than really ought to be.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jul 19, 2011 12:49 AM BST up reply actions  

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“Forget it,” Ferguson said of a possible move for Sneijder. “We are looking at some things but I am not so sure Sneijder will be easy to get. I could pick three or four players to come in but they wouldn’t be good enough for us, so there is no point.”

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by ChillMike on Jul 19, 2011 2:34 AM BST reply actions  

Transfer season makes me want to pout in a corner all day.

"Can Manchester United score? They always score... Peter Schmeichel is forward... Beckham, in towards Schmeichel- it's come for Dwight Yorke. Cleared... Giggs with a shot- SHERINGHAM!"

by Useful_Idiot on Jul 19, 2011 2:58 AM BST up reply actions  

if you watch college football

National Signing Day is the same. What’s worst is you get excited about high school kids. Especially here in Florida. Anyways, I agree it is frustrating. It would be wicked if we could see what happens behind closed doors.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on Jul 19, 2011 4:02 AM BST up reply actions  

Seriously especially with the advent of FM

I go insane thinking I know who to sign! Sometimes I’m right….as when I wanted Tevez the year Waza came over…..and sometimes I’m completely off my rocker….wanting Balotelli to come hah!

I’m still convinced on my man crush Hamsik though, the guy is going to be a star somewhere someday, hell maybe even with Napoli, I’d love for them to be able to challenge AC and Inter year in and year out.

Part of me still thinks that IF we do sign someone to help replace Scholesy it is going to come out of left field, someone the papers haven’t mentioned much if at all. Look at the Evra, Vida, Chicharito signings as evidence.

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by ChillMike on Jul 19, 2011 4:53 AM BST up reply actions  

I’d love it if Napoli became a scudetto challenger in Italy again! That’d be really exciting to follow.

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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 19, 2011 5:00 AM BST up reply actions  

Agreed in full

the two things that keep me from really following Italian football is the theatrics that seem to be engrained as part of the game AND the officiating that allows it to continue to happen. It was a sad day when Piere Luigi Collina retired.

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by ChillMike on Jul 19, 2011 5:04 AM BST up reply actions  

Papers have started mentioning Hamsik....

So I guess he’s out.

The Brazilian Ganso now too…

So I guess he’s out, as well.

I’m of the same mind now. The Scholes replacement will be announced suddenly, and out-of-the-blue. (Or not at all this summer, as Fergie’s been saying.)

Shame about Hargreaves and his knees. For one season, he was really good for us.

by yeahblah on Jul 19, 2011 10:04 AM BST up reply actions  

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