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LIVE THREAD: Manchester United vs. Stoke City

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SCORECENTRE: Sky Sports
MATCH PREVIEW: The Busby Babe
LIVE TV: Unavailable (U.K.), ESPN2 (USA)
WEATHER: Old Trafford
REFEREE: Mike Jones
ODDS: Manchester United 3/10, Draw 4/1, Stoke City 9/1


United bench: Thomas Kuszczak, Fabio, Rafael, Will Keane, Paul Pogba, Ryan Giggs, Danny Welbeck

Stoke City starting XI (4-4-2): Thomas Sorensen; Andy Wilkinson, Ryan Shawcross, Robert Huth, Marc Wilson; Jermaine Pennant, Wilson Palacios, Dean Whitehead, Jonathan Walters; Kenwyne Jones, Peter Crouch

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team sheet should be revealed in a few minutes

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 7:04 PM GMT up reply actions  

looks like it's Amos starting

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 7:05 PM GMT up reply actions  

De Gea called in sick?

Is he going to bring a doctor’s note in when he comes in tomorrow?

by doc alex on Jan 31, 2012 7:28 PM GMT up reply actions  

something that definitely needs some clarification

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 7:29 PM GMT up reply actions  

Calm down son

I think it was just a little joke :)

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 7:35 PM GMT up reply actions  

Didn't mean to imply anything

Just sounds ridiculous for a professional footballer to phone in sick.

by doc alex on Jan 31, 2012 7:35 PM GMT up reply actions  

anything I hear about an athlete being sick...

I automatically think about Michael Jordan and his epic performance vs the Utah Jazz in the NBA Finals while he had the flu

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 7:52 PM GMT up reply actions  

Amos, Smalling, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra, Valencia, Carrick, Scholes, Park, Berbatov, Hernandez

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 7:36 PM GMT reply actions  

In fairness, there was only 14 first team players to choose from.

Side Note: Minimalizing others accomplishments makes me feel better about myself.

by nolefansam on Jan 31, 2012 7:42 PM GMT via Android app up reply actions  

the guesses of Smalling, Rio, Evans, Berba, and Chicharito all made tactical sense

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 7:43 PM GMT up reply actions  

PIG is on the bench

And there was me thinking he died

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 7:37 PM GMT reply actions  

Few thoughts on the Stoke lineup
  • Crouch & Jones starting shows clear intention to hoof the ball long and pound the box. Pulis usually has someone off of either Crouch or Jones anticipating knockdowns. Amos MUST command his area.
  • Etherington torched Valencia last time around… he limped off at the weekend vs Derby County so I’m pleased to see him on the bench only.
  • No Delap… that long-throw doesn’t really work at Old Trafford
  • No Woodgate at right-back… Pulis went for more mobility there against our wingers.

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 7:38 PM GMT reply actions  

I went 2-1 in the Match Preview

that was anticipating Lindegaard playing…

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 7:40 PM GMT up reply actions  

3 points feels like a must

with away to Chelsea and Liverpool next

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 7:44 PM GMT reply actions  

OMG! Hernandez is starting!

I almost forgot what that was like. Haha.

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by mpeters10 on Jan 31, 2012 7:48 PM GMT reply actions  

maybe Ben will come up big

can’t write him off quite yet

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 7:52 PM GMT up reply actions  

im glad this is a OT

At the Britannia he would be under intense pressure

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 8:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

Fergie wouldn't do this...

but it would be tactically fascinating if we played in a 3-4-1-2 shape vs this Stoke lineup

  • 3 CB’s allow for a spare man in the back vs the aerial threat of Crouch & Jones.
  • Valencia and EVra as wing-backs
  • Scholes & Carrick playing as deep-lying playmakers
  • Park in a free role to link midfield & attack

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:00 PM GMT reply actions  

everything is already going through Scholes

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:03 PM GMT reply actions  

I wonder if he can go past the hour mark....

after having played at the weekend

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:03 PM GMT up reply actions  

brilliant, isn't he?

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:04 PM GMT up reply actions  

That is the measure of footballing genius

He literally has walked back into the team

The same as he has done when he had that Eye problem

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 8:05 PM GMT up reply actions  

yikes Park...

on that left-footed cross

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:03 PM GMT reply actions  

our passing has been poor in the final third of attack so far

and Stoke look dangerous on the counter

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:08 PM GMT reply actions  

brilliant flick there by Berba...

only if Chicharito anticipated that better

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:09 PM GMT reply actions  

amazing how well Chicharito competes in the air

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:09 PM GMT reply actions  

when Rio plays...

our back four play much deeper…. a good 5-10 yards it seems. There’s going to be a lot of space ahead of our center-backs and behind our central-midfielders

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:11 PM GMT reply actions  

what I like about Smalling, Jones, and Evans back there

they can play higher because they’re faster on the turn. Thus, keeps things compact between the lines.

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:15 PM GMT up reply actions  

What i like about rio

Less chance of a De Gea (Fuck up)

Too harsh?

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 8:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

I can only see it with injuries or with a multiple goal lead

I’d guess Giggs comes on at some point for Scholesy

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:14 PM GMT up reply actions  

at only 12'

Scholes has completed 20 passes and is 4/5 on long balls

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:13 PM GMT reply actions  

haha

he looks confident

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:16 PM GMT up reply actions  

Got my set up all up and goin.

http://i.imgur.com/dFyD6.jpg

I can keep you updated on the City and Chelsea games now :)

by doc alex on Jan 31, 2012 8:17 PM GMT reply actions  

that's fantastic!

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:18 PM GMT up reply actions  

Haha yeah I'm pretty happy with it

Won the bigscreen at a bar, two monitors are my roommates, and I can sit here and surf on my laptop lol.

by doc alex on Jan 31, 2012 8:20 PM GMT up reply actions  

Nil nil 35 minutes in.

I’ve seen a few chances either way, Chelsea seem to be controlling though

by doc alex on Jan 31, 2012 8:22 PM GMT up reply actions  

I love the anticipation of the Old Trafford crowd....

whenever it looks as if Scholes might have a crack at goal

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:17 PM GMT reply actions  

Chicharito is offsides...

and water is wet.

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:18 PM GMT reply actions  

Oh Scholes almost!!!!

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 8:21 PM GMT reply actions  

we've been kinda joking about Scholes being our January purchase...

but he’s seriously may be the best piece of business by any club in January!

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:22 PM GMT up reply actions  

OH SCHOLESY

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:21 PM GMT reply actions  

commentater makes a good point

Evans is coming out of defense because Stoke are sitting V deep. Gives us an extra man and it is causing them problems

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 8:24 PM GMT reply actions  

Evans is very much the challenger out of the duo...

while Rio is the covering CB

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:26 PM GMT up reply actions  

+1

Rio has such a good reading… been said so many times

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 8:27 PM GMT up reply actions  

76% possession so far

and only 3 attempts on goal… but none on target through 24 min

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:25 PM GMT reply actions  

fun side to watch

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:27 PM GMT up reply actions  

Nice to watch Swansea and see them do well. Also nice to see Chelsea losing. Win-Win!

by doc alex on Jan 31, 2012 8:28 PM GMT up reply actions  

haha

Might have to give my Chelsea mates a text :)

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 8:30 PM GMT up reply actions  

I just noticed Berba’s haircut. Nice.

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 8:26 PM GMT reply actions  

Just curious:

Who has the armband tonight?

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 8:31 PM GMT reply actions  

Evra has been wearing it since Vida went down

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:32 PM GMT up reply actions  

so much space for Jones to make driving runs on the counter

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:31 PM GMT reply actions  

brilliant stuff Park and Berba...

nice run by Carrick… finish needs to better

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:34 PM GMT reply actions  

PENALTY

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:37 PM GMT reply actions  

Pen!

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 8:37 PM GMT reply actions  

Rooney can't miss here

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:37 PM GMT reply actions   2 recs

huh.... Chicharito....

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:37 PM GMT reply actions  

I would've thought Berba

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:38 PM GMT up reply actions  

I suppose he takes them for Mexico

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:38 PM GMT up reply actions  

Hernandez?

Surprised to see him, nice finish though! 1-0!!!

by doc alex on Jan 31, 2012 8:38 PM GMT reply actions  

Chicha!

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 8:38 PM GMT reply actions  

CHICHARITO CONVERTS!!!!!

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:38 PM GMT reply actions  

I hate it when you go low from a corner

But that was a fantastic Peno. Not only did he send him the wrong way, it hit the side netting. And that from a player who hasn’t played much. Brilliant

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 8:39 PM GMT reply actions  

Hopefully Tim Howard plays a career game. PLEASE, Tim.

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 8:39 PM GMT reply actions  

nice tackle Scholesy

LOL

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:40 PM GMT reply actions  

So when does SAF ask VDS to come back?

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 8:41 PM GMT reply actions  

Stoke looks a bunch of NBA players on set-pieces

a forest

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:42 PM GMT reply actions  

I have it on mute so I might be mistaken...

But I think someone just handcuffed themselves to Man City’s goalpost lol

by doc alex on Jan 31, 2012 8:42 PM GMT reply actions  

Yep.

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 8:43 PM GMT up reply actions  

wait, what?!

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:45 PM GMT up reply actions  

Lol, fan ran onto the field and handcuffed himself to the goalpost…

Long delay until the cops sawed them apart and presumably strapped a new pair on.

Not exactly sure why though haha.

by doc alex on Jan 31, 2012 8:46 PM GMT up reply actions  

Occupy Etihad!

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:46 PM GMT up reply actions  

oh wait...

Occupy Goodison

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:47 PM GMT up reply actions  

was the man Carlos Tevez?

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:51 PM GMT up reply actions  

hahaha

Thats why they didn’t show his face……

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 8:58 PM GMT up reply actions  

poor tackle by Scholes

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:42 PM GMT reply actions  

Substitutions

Think there’ll be any subs right before the second half? I don’t think so.

by junio637 on Jan 31, 2012 8:49 PM GMT reply actions  

Agreed

He’ll probably come off in the 70th minute for Giggs or another central midfielder. I hope Pogba and Keane get some game time.

by junio637 on Jan 31, 2012 8:52 PM GMT up reply actions  

some HT stats
  • Possession: United 75%-25% Stoke
  • Shots (on target): United 5(1) – 3(0) Stoke
  • Aerials won: United 0-7 Stoke
  • Scholes’ passing: 62 passes completed at 90% success rate, 10/13 long balls
  • Carrick’s passing: 55 passes completed at 89% success rate, 4/4 long balls
  • Park’s 3 tackles lead all players

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:55 PM GMT reply actions  

Guesses on when Scholes comes off?

I’m saying this when considering his fitness and that he played at the weekend. Also, he’s sitting on a yellow…

My guess is Giggs on for him at 63’

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 8:58 PM GMT reply actions  

Andy Carroll just put Lpool ahead

:0 :0

And Ravel Morrison has just completed a 1M switch!!!!!!!!!!

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 9:00 PM GMT reply actions  

Fergies quotes on him sure will be interesting now he has left

Apparntly his agent charged West Ham a ridiculous amount in fee’s…. So that is why he “turned down” contract after contract

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 9:01 PM GMT up reply actions  

it seems as Ravel has burned his bridges at United

and that Fergie is done with him

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:05 PM GMT up reply actions  

Even still

It seems like there’s no harm in having the option. If he suddenly matures and you think he can make it you bring him back, otherwise don’t bother and you’re still rid of him.

by doc alex on Jan 31, 2012 9:07 PM GMT up reply actions  

Is there an expected return date for Vidic?

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 9:07 PM GMT reply actions  

June/July sometime I think.

If everything goes to schedule, he should be able to start with the team next season

by doc alex on Jan 31, 2012 9:08 PM GMT up reply actions  

PENALTY AGAIN!

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:09 PM GMT reply actions  

well done by Valencia to cut acroos his defender

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:09 PM GMT up reply actions  

Berba converts!

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:09 PM GMT reply actions  

That's a definite pen!!

Berba calm and collected!!!

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Another good Peno

Down low again, keeper guessed right but he placed it well

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 PM GMT reply actions  

Valencia is nearly unplayable right now

We’d be in trouble right now if he wasn’t in such good form with both Nani and Young out

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:12 PM GMT reply actions  

Stoke getting desperate

Their players are really starting to move forward to crowd the midfield.

by junio637 on Jan 31, 2012 9:13 PM GMT reply actions  

they're just playing higher up the pitch

all three bands have moved up a good 5-10 yards

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:13 PM GMT up reply actions  

keep in mind too...

that Stoke were playing incredibly deep

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:16 PM GMT up reply actions  

let's get another one and get Pogba on

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:13 PM GMT reply actions  

Considering how much United's dominated the game

I’d be happy to bring Pogba on for Scholes, see what he can do.

by doc alex on Jan 31, 2012 9:15 PM GMT up reply actions  

Main aim for tnyt is to not get any more injuries

A clean sheet & maybe a another goal would be nice too

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 9:13 PM GMT reply actions  

c'mon Everton

hold on for a draw

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:16 PM GMT reply actions  

or have Goodison cult hero Landon Donovan score a winner

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:17 PM GMT up reply actions  

A draw?

Why go for a draw instead of a win? :)

by junio637 on Jan 31, 2012 9:17 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'd be thrilled with a draw

it would still go against the odds

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:17 PM GMT up reply actions  

Will Keane on the bench too

Apparntly he is a great goalscorer at youth and reserve level

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 9:18 PM GMT reply actions  

good decision making by Amos on that set-piece

He committed to staying on his line and didn’t get caught in between

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:19 PM GMT reply actions  

if we win the title and Everton hold on for victory today...

send Gibson a winner’s medal!

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:22 PM GMT up reply actions  

YES!

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 9:22 PM GMT up reply actions  

Park has 5 tackles won

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:22 PM GMT reply actions  

Ouch

Huth heads Carrick instead of the ball.

by junio637 on Jan 31, 2012 9:24 PM GMT reply actions  

hahahahah

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:24 PM GMT up reply actions  

I love how OT erupted with that news.

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 9:26 PM GMT reply actions  

poor reasoning by Jones

assuming that’s what made him hesitate

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 PM GMT up reply actions  

I have a feeling the midfield duo at Stamford Bridge will be Carrick/Giggs
  • with Scholes having played twice this week
  • also with consideration on how Scholes/Carrick were overrun in the 2nd half of last season’s league fixture there
  • and considering how well Giggs played vs Chelsea last season

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 PM GMT reply actions  

Berba with some slick moves there.

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 PM GMT reply actions  

Pogba coming on for Chicharito 73'

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:29 PM GMT reply actions  

Fergie closing up shop with possession

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:29 PM GMT up reply actions  

more of a Peno than the other two

Paul Pogba on for Chica

Good move Berba can hold the ball up top

Pogba can help sure up the midfield

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 9:30 PM GMT reply actions  

Cole just got sent off!

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 9:30 PM GMT reply actions  

Yep! Second yellow.

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yup

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:31 PM GMT up reply actions  

that's a tremendous block though

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:31 PM GMT up reply actions  

brillliant block by Wilkinson

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:31 PM GMT reply actions  

Park with a tremendous run on Valencia's cross

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Wilkinson with some incredible defending right now

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:33 PM GMT reply actions  

Nice move there by Pogba.

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 9:33 PM GMT reply actions  

good stuff from Pogba right now

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:34 PM GMT reply actions  

I'll say it again...

VALENCIA IS UNPLAYABLE RIGHT NOW!

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:35 PM GMT reply actions  

+1

I’d like to see him unleash his right foot a little more

I saw 1st hand at Aldershot what that can do

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 9:37 PM GMT up reply actions  

that post at Anfield is still shaking

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:37 PM GMT up reply actions  

this match is 5 min ahead of Everton v City...

looks like I’ll be able to switch over for the finish

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:36 PM GMT reply actions  

for U.S. viewers...

Everton v City is on Fox Soccer right now

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:38 PM GMT up reply actions  

much more important game for us

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 PM GMT up reply actions  

Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, and maybe Newcastle are playing for 4th

ok… maybe not Newcastle

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:40 PM GMT up reply actions  

I won't :)

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:41 PM GMT up reply actions  

Oh come on! Play the advantage!

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 9:38 PM GMT reply actions  

both Carrick and Scholes are over 100 passes completed

well over it actually

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:42 PM GMT reply actions  

Just utterley dominated the game

Carrick too with his defensive play. Brilliant

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 PM GMT up reply actions  

Sweet science....

do you have the post-match writeup handled?

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 PM GMT reply actions  

If you can, and don't mind...

can you write up something quick on Ravel’s £1m move to West Ham. Maybe just 150 words at least and a link our previous write-up today.

I’ll write on Giggs and the stats\quotes stuff

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:56 PM GMT via Android app up reply actions  

got the Giggs post up

Busy day of news.

I’m going to delay the ‘Highlight/Stats/Quotes’ post until morning time for the U.K. This will help not congest all of these posts. I’m 50/50 on whether I can get up a tactical review.

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 PM GMT up reply actions  

perfect

thank you

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by Gene Um on Feb 1, 2012 12:42 AM GMT up reply actions  

FT

Level on pts with City!

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:56 PM GMT via Android app up reply actions  

Pogba looks terrific

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by Gene Um on Jan 31, 2012 9:45 PM GMT reply actions  

he's playing ridiculously well

did not expect him to look like that this soon. i know up and downs of a young player etc, but wow…high level of technique and awareness right now

by mattw on Jan 31, 2012 9:49 PM GMT up reply actions  

His desire looks great

Wanting to get involved, not shying away.

by Sweet science on Jan 31, 2012 9:50 PM GMT up reply actions  

200+ comments?

Haven seen that for quite some time

by dingmajiao on Jan 31, 2012 9:46 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions  

Poor Swansea, so close. Still, they're doing well.

I have to say at this point, I’m keeping my eye on the City score. fingers crossed.

by Bitgod on Jan 31, 2012 9:47 PM GMT reply actions  

Oh, Berba.

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 9:49 PM GMT reply actions  

FT

2-0. Well done United.

by junio637 on Jan 31, 2012 9:50 PM GMT reply actions  

Come on Toffees!

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by natepilling on Jan 31, 2012 9:51 PM GMT reply actions  

DOWN GO CITY!

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