Manchester United V Chelsea: Player Ratings
Here are the ratings for yesterdays brilliant game on superbowl Sunday. Manchester United arguably were not deserving of going down three nil, but they came storming back to tie the game 3-3.
A score of 1 being the lowest (Stefan Savic standard), 10 being the highest (Messi like) A score of 6 will be standard, 7 is solid, a very good game will get an 8, 9 is good for outstanding and 10 is unplayable. 10's will be very rare. Not only will they have to play the game of their life, but it will usually come against a team of good quality or in a big match (FInals, championship deciding game's etc.)
David De Gea - Maybe his finest game in Manchester United colours. Looked nervous early on, exhibited with punching a ball that my gran could have caught. But oh my did he make up for any shortcomings. Made some smart stops in the first half but made three or four top class saves and one a truly world class save from Jaun Mata's late free kick that could have won it for Chelsea. That for me was save of the season so far. 8/10
Rafael - The best of the United defenders. Kept Malouda quiet and won the ball back on numerous occasions. He is fantastic at nipping in front of attackers to nick the ball. 6.5/10
Rio Ferdinand - Not his finest hour. I think Torres had his number. Made a careless pass or two which is rare for him. Part of a defense that let in 3 goals. 4.5/10
Jonny Evans - See above. 4.5/10
Patrice Evra - Awful. Arguably at fault for all three goals. Sturridge beat him far too easily for the first. Got sucked inside and had no chance of cutting out the cross for the second. And let his man go for the third. Won the first penalty, but that was an appalling game for our stand in captain. 3/10
Antonio Valencia - Not up to his recent standard. Maybe because the service out to him was not quick enough but Boswinga handled him well in my opinion. His passing has improved though. He set Rooney free in the first half who should have done better. Played well when moved to RB too. 6.5/10
Micheal Carrick - Done quite well. He gets through so much work that goes unnoticed. Passing as ever was very good. Can't wait until Tom Cleverley gets back to see how they play together. 6.5/10
Ryan Giggs - Was a little quiet, but his experience shone when he whipped in the ball for Hernandez to head home the equaliser. The pace of the game was so quick that I thought Park could have come on for him when we were chasing goals. But his cross proved me wrong. 6/10
Ashley Young - Was difficult for him, playing in such a massive game after a while out injured. Had a good effort in the first half saved, but other than that the pace was a little too much. Was often caught on his heels when passes was played which allowed Branislav Ivanovic to intercept. 5/10
Wayne Rooney - Had a very good game. Linked the play so well with one and two touch passes. Maybe should have shot when he had the chance in the first half, instead of feeding Welbeck. Second half he was different class. Took the game by the scruff of the neck. Constantly picked the ball up from deep and drove at the defense. Took his Peno's very well. The first one was emphatic (So emphatic I thought he had blazed it over) 8/10
Danny Welbeck - Was liveley. Not his best performance but worked hard and linked up with Rooney well, particularly in the first half. His runs in behind looked to cause Chelsea problems early on. Won the second penalty (Left his leg to be tripped just a tad) Was subbed once we got the equaliser. 6.5/10
Subs
Javier Hernandez - A real classy performance. Took up so many positions that caused the defense problems. Held the ball up well and linked up with Rooney and Welbeck well. An Olympic high jumper would be proud of his leap for his header. Look for him to start next week. 7/10
Paul Scholes - What more can we say about him. Like against Liverpool, he changed the game. This time though, he changed it when coming on for good, instead of coming off for bad. We switched to a 4-3-3 .... I just run out of things to say. Just a fantastic player. Hope he stays for next season. (Who is that shouting PFA player of the year??) 7/10
Ji Sung Park - Didn't really have time to affect the game after coming on for Danny. But his legs and energy was useful in a game that was played at such a tempo. N/A
Just as a note, it was mentioned in the live thread that our bench was a lot stronger than Chelsea's, and it proved to be a massive feature and swayed the game our way. Thank god our injuries seem to be healing, although maybe Chris Smalling was missed. Hopefully he is fit soon.
Share your thoughts. How would you have rated our performance, as a team and individually?
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Still 2 in the center when Scholes came on
Giggs moved out to the left, Welbeck on the right, Rooney and Chicharito up top. Scholes and Carrick in the center.
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by Gene Um on Feb 7, 2012 1:14 AM GMT via Android app reply actions
I disagree
Welebck went wider but Giggs wasn’t really too wide I don’t think.
by Sweet science on Feb 7, 2012 2:41 AM GMT up reply actions
W,e formation it was
It bloody worked!!
by Sweet science on Feb 7, 2012 2:42 AM GMT up reply actions
We didn't change shape... Still 4-4-2/4-4-1-1ish.
When Chicharito came on for Young, Welbeck moved to the left while Giggs was still central. When Scholes came on for Rafael, Giggs moved out wide to the while Welbeck switched over to the right… Valencia then made his move to right-back. Park on for Welbeck was a like-for-like move on the right at that moment in the match.
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by Gene Um on Feb 7, 2012 3:12 AM GMT via Android app up reply actions
If anything, it shifted to a 4-2-4 while we chased the equaliser
That’s still very close to a 4-4-2. The wide players just look to aggressively pin back the full-backs more as they play higher up the pitch in search of a goal.
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by Gene Um on Feb 7, 2012 3:17 AM GMT via Android app up reply actions
* Giggs moved out to the left
Not while… Err typos
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by Gene Um on Feb 7, 2012 3:20 AM GMT via Android app up reply actions
Hard for me to argue much with any of these ratings
Rio and Evra were especially poor. It’s concerning how poor their positioning is when considering their experience. For Rio though, he seems to know his pace has declined and he’s increasingly playing deeper.
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by Gene Um on Feb 7, 2012 1:17 AM GMT via Android app reply actions
Evra was.....
Horrific
That was by far the worse game I have seen him play since… maybe City on his debut
by Sweet science on Feb 7, 2012 2:42 AM GMT up reply actions
We need a left back who can subs Evra.
Two years ago he is superb.. but what happen in this year with Evra? Well, we better pray for him to get his game on for Liverpool… ( _!)
I will bevery suprised if Liverppol hurt us at home
I really think this may be our easiest match this month. Carrow road is not a place I am looking forward to going to tbh
by Sweet science on Feb 7, 2012 3:43 PM GMT up reply actions
Evra's form has been poor since the start of the 2010 season
I often wondered how much of his struggles were due to fatigue of having to play in nearly EVERY match that has any significance. I’m sure Fergie would like to have used Fabio more as a deputy but the Brazilian’s frequent trips to the treatment room has hindered his progress.
I wonder at what point Fergie looks to address the situation he now has at left-back. Evra has been poor now for about 18 months… could one reasonably believe that he’ll get better considering the length of this poor form and his age now?
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Scholes and Clevz
I’m kind of surprised you’re excited to see a Carrick/Cleverly midfield paring more so than a Scholes/Cleverly pairing. Sure Scholesy and Clevz are more cut from the same cloth, but I’m absolutely drooling to see them work together with Scholes pulling the strings with his long passes and Clevz playing more of an attacking/workman like role. Add that with Rooney in the hole behind Chicha and Phil Jones at center back…. and I’m about to faint
haha
Both. How about a Cleverley Scholes Carrick threesome? (Sorry, threesome is a poor choice of word)
For a squad that was crying out for a CM in the January transfer window, We do have some considerable options now
by Sweet science on Feb 9, 2012 1:15 AM GMT up reply actions
I don't rate Clevz that higher as a defensive midfielder..
Scholes who though have made some great tackles during his time back isn’t really a great defensive midfielder either..
Scholes who though have made some great tackles during his time back isn’t really a great defensive midfielder either..
That’s for that fantastic insight… in other news, water is wet and man has landed on the moon. :)
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Actually I was kinda impressed with Scholes tackling since his return..
Many a times he gave me the “He’s going in again!!” and came back with the ball.. LOL..
it's worth it
sure a Cleverly/Scholes midfield pairing would lack a true holding midfielder, but I think the possession and creativity that it would bring surpasses the need for a defensive body in the middle of the park. Scholes has positioned himself very deep anyhow since his return and someone like Phil Jones at center back would largely negate any defensive deficiency with his ability to close down space with his pace. Plus consider that Clevz was paired with Ando at the beginning of the season to brilliant effect, and Ando’s defensive abilities are pretty appalling.
by crazylegsdayne on Feb 10, 2012 6:08 AM GMT up reply actions
Someone like Jones?
I prefer Jones at RB and CM rather than CB as of now at this stage.. Don’t forget that Ando is an engine.. Scholes isn’t..
I think it’s a good combination, no doubt though.. Would work against inferior team.. But then, Scholes and Carrick are still the main 2 for me..
Anderson an engine?
Have we been watching the same guy over these years? Anderson moves in one direction as far as I’m concerned and that is forward. He is very poor at maintaining his shape and is often caught out of position when the ball changes possession and I don’t think he’s tracked back more than 5 times as a red devil. that’s often why he’s paired with a guy like Fletcher who truly is a workhorse. And I think you like Jones at rb or cm because that’s often where he was pawned off when he was healthy because the twins were injured and he’s better on the ball than smalling, but he’s primed to be a center back. Too physical and too good in the air not to.
by crazylegsdayne on Feb 10, 2012 8:42 AM GMT up reply actions
Well, he do have his lapse of concentration but he's a bull and he charge around.. That's different from Scholes do..
Jones is not really that good in the air.. He loses majority his aerial duels, from the stats Gene post, at least not as effective as Smalling.. Out of the few games he played in CB, he haven really convinced me he’s better than the option we have now in Smalling, Rio or Evans..
Jones is good at the ball, can pick out great pass, workhouse, can dribble, so if he’s fit, he should play RB or CM unless we are lacking CB..
and I don’t think he’s tracked back more than 5 times as a red devil.
Im sorry but that is a ridiculous statement. Anderson does work hard for the team and puts some challenges in. He is good with ball at feet and getting back to challenge
by Sweet science on Feb 10, 2012 9:08 PM GMT up reply actions
don't get me wrong...
If I had to choose between Smalling and Jones to play cb right now, I’d take Smalling because Jones could fill in elsewhere more easily and gets a bit overzealous, but my main argument for Jones at center back was to alleviate the potential gaps in the middle of the pitch you would have without a holding midfielder. But eff man Johnny Evans, really? I’d take Jones back there over him in a second. I’ll give you that Smaller is better in the air of the two, but I wouldn’t go as far to say Jones is bad in the air. He’s a big physical presence at the least.
by crazylegsdayne on Feb 10, 2012 12:12 PM GMT reply actions
Evans have played well this season, apart from 1 or 2 bad games..
Jones is a big physical presence and yes he’s good in the air, but he loses aerial duels.. Why I don’t know but I rather see Smalling or Evans in there than Jones when all 3 are fit..
Unless the opponent is playing with one forward, I don’t see how Jones will push forward to cover the gaps in the middle when defending..
It get worst if he makes those forward runs and leave the bad line completely open with Scholes at the back.. All is well if his forward runs generates a goal, but what if he lose the ball with him up the pitch?
I think the Scholes/Cleverley partnering will work wonders against smaller teams, but I think Carrick’s going to be in the big games because he’s highly rather by SAF as a defensive midfielder..
Considering how far deep Scholes has played it's not that bad
and the way the boy closes down space is immense. Just look at the times Evans has hung him out to dry in games like Norwich. Even so, I imagine you could even get away with Clevz out on the left considering how much that role manages to kick in to the center anyway with our squad, save for when Ashley young is filling it.
And Carrick has been in good form for the most part this season, but there hasn’t really been a game where he was truly necessary other than the first Man City match, and even in the second match he was just decent. We played well without him against Chelsea, Tottenham, and Arsenal and there aren’t many other bigger matches after that.
And I just now noticed you described Ando as a charging bull up above, now that’s something we’ll never see eye-to-eye about. He walks just as much as he runs in a match.
Carrick have always been a slow starter, which is why we saw Cleverley take the starting spot early..
It would have been interesting had he not suffered any injury imo.. He was playing so well.. I doubt we would have seen Carrick played so early had Cleverley not get injured..
Ando sure walk as much as he runs, but he do close down opponent quick when he need to.. And then for a while, he’ll start taking his time.. Cleverley and Ando took turns in their role as the defensive midfielder, so it worked well, I guess..

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